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Healthcare Analytics & the Acceleration Time of Clinical Trials w/ Dr. Nirav Shah (Ep. #11)
00:00:00 Dr. Nirav Shah shares his background and how he transitioned from being an infectious disease physician to a leader in healthcare analytics and innovation. Dr. Shah explains that he had initially planned to pursue a career in global health but changed his mind due to family considerations. Instead, he became interested in technology and analytics after meeting his wife who was in the tech industry. The movie "Outbreak," which depicted the spread of a deadly virus, had a significant impact on Dr. Shah during his college years and influenced his decision to specialize in infectious disease. However, his interest in innovation and technology developed later in his career.
00:05:00 Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the origins of diseases that have the potential to become global pandemics, specifically focusing on Corona viruses and their crossover from animals to humans. He mentions SARS, MERS, and COVID-19 as examples of such pandemics. Dr. Shah explains that these viruses are typically found in animals but require specific conditions to infect and replicate in humans, causing symptoms and spreading to other individuals. He also touches upon the concept of a "perfect storm" of events that allows a disease to grow and flourish into a global pandemic. COVID-19, for instance, was initially localized in Wuhan, China, but its rapid spread was due to asymptomatic transmission, making it difficult to contain.
00:10:00 In this section of the podcast episode titled "Healthcare Analytics & the Acceleration Time of Clinical Trials," Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the differences in how countries, specifically China and the United States, handled the initial stages of the COVID-19 pandemic. Dr. Shah explains that while SARS was contained due to public health measures like quarantining infected individuals and their contacts, COVID-19 spread through asymptomatic carriers, making containment more challenging. He notes that China's authoritarian government was able to implement strict lockdowns and test everyone in an affected area, effectively stopping the transmission. In contrast, the US lacked the infrastructure to do the same and relied on a more decentralized approach, leading to a slower response and a more widespread impact. Dr. Shah also shares his personal experience of living in a rural area where the pandemic was not taken as seriously and expresses his lack of investment in pandemic-related stocks like Zoom due to his reluctance to follow the flavor of the week in investing.
00:15:00 In this section of the podcast episode, Dr. Nirav Shah shares his experience during the COVID-19 pandemic and how it led him to get involved in clinical trials research. Initially, he was a rare infectious disease doctor who didn't treat COVID-19 patients. However, when hospitals were overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases, his team cohorted all COVID-19 patients in one hospital and dedicated a team to manage them. Dr. Shah then focused on non-COVID work but got involved in clinical trials due to the lack of treatments and infrastructure. He helped set up the IT infrastructure for his colleagues to participate in these trials and ended up creating a robust research team around clinical trials. As a result, they became one of the highest-grossing research teams at their institution. The pandemic provided an opportunity to have the infrastructure in place for future clinical trials, which typically take years to complete but were expedited for COVID-19 vaccines, with three options available in just seven months. The mRNA platform, which has existed for some time, played a significant role in this quick development, and the SARS epidemic had pharmaceutical companies preparing for vaccine development.
00:20:00 Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the acceleration of clinical trials for COVID-19 vaccines. He explains how the sequencing of the virus's spike protein and the existing infrastructure from previous research on SARS enabled the quick development of the vaccine. The alignment of various factors, including regulatory approval processes, public interest, and the ability to gather data in real-time due to the widespread nature of the virus, significantly shortened the clinical trial timeline. The ID community has also been working on creating a general coronavirus vaccine and influenza vaccines using the mRNA platform to prepare for future outbreaks. The perfect storm of circumstances, including previous research, acceptance of the MRNA platform, and the volume of data available, allowed for the compression of five years of clinical trials into just five months.
00:25:00 Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the acceleration of clinical trials due to the belief that the process was too long and the need to shorten it. He shares his experience with infectious diseases and the desire to find ways to conduct trials in parallel rather than sequentially. The conversation then shifts to the potential role of AI in reducing or even eradicating diseases. Dr. Shah expresses his belief in the significant potential of AI in life sciences, citing DeepMind's AlphaFold as an example of AI's ability to predict protein folding based on genetic sequences. However, he does not directly address the possibility of AI removing diseases through neuralink or similar technologies.
00:30:00 In this section of the podcast episode titled "Healthcare Analytics & the Acceleration Time of Clinical Trials," Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the significance of AI in healthcare research, specifically in predicting protein folding. He explains how AI has revolutionized the process by providing extreme accuracy, enabling researchers to understand complex diseases and potential treatments. However, there are concerns about AI integration in healthcare, such as radiology, where there might be job displacement. Dr. Shah believes that while technology may change the nature of certain roles, it will also create new opportunities. He references a book by physician Eric Topol, who suggests that physicians will focus on the human aspects of medicine while AI handles administrative tasks and diagnosis assistance. A study even found that AI responses were more empathetic than human responses, adding to the humanistic approach in healthcare.
00:35:00 In this section, Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the risks and challenges associated with the integration of AI in healthcare. He highlights the issues of "garbage in, garbage out" where inadequate training data can lead to inaccurate outcomes. The black box nature of AI systems, which can be difficult for humans to understand, is another concern. The human element of trust and empathy is also important, as doctors may not fully trust AI systems or feel that they can replace the human touch. The use of AI in generating empathetic responses or writing electronic health record messages is a possibility, but it may lead to doctors relying too heavily on AI and neglecting the human aspect of patient care. Dr. Shah also touches on the advancements in healthcare analytics in the last five years, focusing on the vast amount of data available in healthcare and the technological tools that enable the analysis of this data.
00:40:00 Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the current and future capabilities of analytic systems in healthcare. He mentions that only 3% of the valuable insights from electronic health records are currently being utilized, and the processing of vast amounts of data from sources like imaging, genetic, and wearable data is a significant challenge. Dr. Shah explains that analytic systems are evolving to better capture the signal from the noise in this data and that the future of healthcare analytics will involve multimodal AI, which combines different types of data to provide better predictions and responses. He also mentions the potential for AI to assist surgeons in real-time during surgeries by evaluating electronic health record data and making recommendations. Dr. Shah reflects on how the role of physicians has changed over the past 30 years, with an increase in regulatory burden and corporatization of medicine keeping them away from investigation and diagnosis. He believes that AI has the potential to reduce the time spent on low-value tasks and allow physicians to focus more on patient-focused conversations.
00:45:00 In this section of the podcast episode titled "Healthcare Analytics & the Acceleration of Clinical Trials," Dr. Nirav Shah discusses the implementation of ambient AI in clinical operations, which streamlines various tasks such as documenting conversations, coding, and billing, making them more efficient for physicians. He also talks about prescriptive analytics, a more advanced form of analytics that not only identifies risks but suggests interventions to reduce those risks. The system uses a patient's health record, including past medical history, labs, and demographic data, to determine the best course of action. When comparing healthcare analytics to stock market analytics, Dr. Shah notes that while both are complex systems with predictions based on past data, healthcare analytics deals with a greater number of outcomes and disease states, requiring more models to cover various aspects.
00:50:00 Dr. Nirav Shah discusses his current projects at NorthShore, specifically one focused on increasing lifespan and decreasing health disparities in the communities they serve. This project aims to be more proactive than reactive in healthcare by addressing underlying issues that lead to health events. The initiative includes addressing basic needs such as reducing loneliness, ensuring proper nutrition, and encouraging physical activity. Additionally, there is a potential large digital analytics component to connect people to interventions. Dr. Shah also mentions the connection between inflammation and various diseases, acknowledging that solving inflammation could potentially address many health issues later in life.
00:55:00 Dr. Nirav Shah explains the complexity of inflammation and the importance of identifying its root cause before treating it. He explains that inflammation can result from various underlying processes, such as viral infections, anatomic abnormalities, or medication use. Dr. Shah emphasizes that treating inflammation alone may not be effective, as addressing the underlying cause is crucial.